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i do this show for one reason and that

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well i don't know on your end how that

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intro sounded but it sounded like [\h__\h]

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on this end welcome everybody to florida

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ufos

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radio show here on wednesday i know it's

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not our normal day

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but we don't have a normal guest tonight

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it's not going to be a normal show

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either i'm going to be joined by

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first time co-host of 40 ufos dennis

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crenshaw here in a moment after i read

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timothy beckley's bio we'll bring dennis

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up and then we'll get him

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on the line and we'll

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start the show so let me tell you a

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little bit about

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timothy beckley he's been described as

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the hunter thompson of ufology

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by the editor of ufo magazine nancy

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in his work he combines the paranormal

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with horror

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and the macabre the house he was raised

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in was thought to be haunted

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beckley also underwent out-of-body

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experiences

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at the age of six and saw his first of

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three ufos

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when he was 10. and since

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he has had two more sightings including

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an attempt to communicate with one of

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these objects

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tim grew up listening to the only

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all-night talk show

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in the country that revolved around the

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strange

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and unexplained the long john neville

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whose guest included the early ufo

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contactees who claimed to have visited

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other planets

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and built time machines in the desert

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tim was fascinated by everything that

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went bump in the night or even

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in the daylight for that matter

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years later tim was to appear on long

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numerous times and over the years has

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been a frequent guest on hundreds of

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which have come and gone just like

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putting out the interplanetary news

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service report

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over the years he has written over 25

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books on everything from rock music

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to the secret mj12 papers he has been a

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national tabloid such as inquirer and

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the editor of

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never lasted more than a couple issues

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his longest effort was to newsstand

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publication ufo universe which went for

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today he's the president of inner light

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global communications

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and the editor of the conspiracy journal

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that's his bio and he'll be here for

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tonight's show which is an hour long we

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may extend it he said he could only go

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hour so let me welcome my co-host for

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tonight let me

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oh that hurts

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hey we got you in safe yeah man how are

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you doing

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i'm doing good this is going to be a

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special show

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i appreciate you inviting me to be a

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guest host uh

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tim becker and i have been i should say

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correspondence and over the radio and

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what for

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god i guess 20 years and uh

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so i appreciate this chance to come on

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well he's gonna he's gonna be pleasantly

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surprised when he

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hears of my co-host well i hope he's

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yes uh and i have worked him and i've

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worked together several times and he's

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uh was nice enough to let me write the

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forward the two of his very

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important books to my research and yeah

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he's a good man

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all right well let's uh let's get him on

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the line

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here we go see if he answers

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it's a ring ring sound clip

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anyway how you been doing no i've been

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good just uh concentrating on the new

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trying to get it up and running straight

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huh this is strange

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uh well he'll be here he's not he's

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always up he keeps his appointments

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up so you don't have to worry about him

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unless it's equipment problems

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yeah it might be it shows that he's

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we'll just see if uh if he fixes it or

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if he if he is he is if he does hear us

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so yeah tell us about uh tell us about

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your work with him dennis how did you

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first meet him

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well as you as you probably know my main

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in 90s 80 late 80s early 90s was

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from our earth and one of the areas or

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the first area i started looking into

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was the old hollow earth theory

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and subterranean worlds uh theories and

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tim is uh very he's published a lot of

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and done a lot of research himself in

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have met him so

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we have a lot of a lot of things in

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uh over the years we've written a back

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and forth he sent me

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many of his publications gratis and uh

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was that let me give him another try

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i don't know what's going on with this

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i didn't have any problems anyway the in

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inside lawson or finding lost atlantis

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inside the hollow earth was a reprint of

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secreted ages

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by brimsy the poor trench who uh

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is one of my heroes simply because of

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changed his mind on a lot of things

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after doing research

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which a lot of people refused to do you

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know they make that was mine

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it was my dumb mistake

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he should be on now let's uh let's let's

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see if this is the golden

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ticket the florida ufo yes it is

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i i went ahead we're doing real good i

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went ahead earlier and wrote down the

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number and

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yeah at least we're not doing this at uh

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i i have a surprise co-host for the

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night you do know him yes say hello

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hello hello tim how are you doing buddy

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it's dennis

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yeah dennis how are you yeah i'm doing

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all right all right yeah let the fun

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as i was saying before tim came on uh

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he was he was nice enough to ask me to

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write the forward to a couple of his

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hollow earth book ever written

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which is benzene the poor trench's

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and tim reeve reprinted it as finding

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lost atlantis inside the hollow earth

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and he asked me to do the forwarding

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i was happy well you know yeah rinsely

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laporte trench was a a

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fairly good friend of mine uh of course

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was actually the first book long before

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van danican or anybody else's

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on the ancient astronaut theory it was

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and the sky people he put he put forward

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that uh the garden of eden was on

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paperback and in hardcover it did very

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very well and then he did several other

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uh then his his brother passed away his

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earl of the clan carney uh you know he

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was a member of the house of lords in

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england and uh he invited me to to speak

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uh they had a ufo group

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uh sort of an unofficial ufo group that

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press the british government to release

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there's been this uh a push for uh

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has probably released about ten

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thousand or twelve thousand um

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documents now in fact i i have a book

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coming out it should be out in a couple

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of weeks called disclosure

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uh it's all about the uh global ufo

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uh program you know and uh the thing

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is is that there are quite a few

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countries now who have released some

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the uk is sort of like in the category

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most of the material and there are

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in the in the files are just mundane

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sightings i mean

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you know people that were hanging after

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laundry or something who

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saw something strange go across the sky

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ministry of the defense the mod about

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what they had seen

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so most of the reports were not very

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sensationalistic there were a few

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uh you know the one where this uh the

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pilot was actually told to uh

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to fire at a at a ufo uh and

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case which i think is the the best ufo

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case of all time

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uh anyway uh bristol laporte trench

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became the earl of

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clan party and he started this ufo uh

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he had been a a believer in the ufos

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theory uh pretty much all along during

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he was either the first of the second

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uh it it still does uh exist after

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organizations or magazines actually to

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push for international recognition of

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ufos

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because most people think of the

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phenomena as just being a very localized

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thing

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and unless you really delve into this uh

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you soon begin to realize that even if

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there hasn't been a ufo sighting let's

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say in the

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in canada in in five months it doesn't

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mean that things aren't heating up in

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china or

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madagascar or ecuador or or somewhere

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else along the line you know

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but brings me started out uh as a firm

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believer

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it's a planetary theory and then he

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began to realize pretty much like maybe

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i have

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at some point that there may be some

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ufos that are coming here from outer

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space because

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certainly we are not the only

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intelligent beings in the universe or

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unintelligent beings i guess maybe

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sometimes

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but he began to realize that the

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the phenomena ufos is something more

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closely akin i think to our own planet

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in our own environment

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now his theory was is that the the earth

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was hollow in that atlantis

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the residents of atlantis you know when

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the continent sunk went inside

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and there's a central sun and different

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layers of the earth and the flying

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sources are coming from there

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uh i don't know i'm open-minded to that

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but i i think it's

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a lot of the ufo uh things that is going

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on is more of a paranormal or

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uh occult metaphysical in in nature and

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more of an environmental

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uh phenomenon than ufos being hardware

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from

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outer space and i think some of the

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things that have been going on um

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we've actually been deceived not only by

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our own uh

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government and i i believe outside of

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maybe some people

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in the higher echelons of the military

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or the

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central intelligence agency i i don't

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believe that anybody is privy

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to this uh information i mean um

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supposedly eisenhower had a contact you

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know back in the

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1950s uh which which may have

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taken the place you know but even then

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there was something

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strange about the craft if i remember

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the details of the report the object

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faded in and out and so forth so

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i think we're dealing something here

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that's a much more

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akin to paranormal than it is to

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extraterrestrial

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yeah and i'm i'm i'm also looking into

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and have since the day i saw

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mine uh the fact the possibility of time

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travel

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uh-huh well that you know where the dog

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is playing with the wire the dog is

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playing with the wire

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all right blame it on blame it on the

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bossa nova

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okay yeah anyway just just to bring just

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to bring your your listeners

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up to speed here uh i'm away from my

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home base which is normally a couple of

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blocks from the empire state building

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i'm in asbury park uh new jersey and i'm

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waiting any minute for bruce springsteen

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to walk through the door

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uh however i doubt that i doubt that's

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the case

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uh but it is pouring here i i figure i

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would get a a away for a few days

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from the hustle and bustle of um

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manhattan

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uh to the uh uh peace and sunshine of

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asbury park only

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to be caught in one of the worst storms

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that i've been caught in in a while

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so we're sitting here in my friend

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pamela's apartment and we're

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hunkering down for the evening and we're

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eating and drinking

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and uh talking about ufos yes yep having

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a good time

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all right yeah i got uh

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one thing before you go on uh because i

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want to make sure to do this in this

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short show i want everybody to realize

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that tim beckley has taken on the

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one-man job of

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saving all this uh information

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uh for instance he's he's coming out

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with a hidden world sheriff

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and also what we've been doing lately

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we've been printing a lot of the

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uh contactee books from the early 1950s

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we just brought two books by dana howe

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dana howard

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who had a very uh interesting and in

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fact a very interesting paranormal

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experience that relates to ufos

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back in the 1930s uh she

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had a sighting of a very attractive

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woman that materialized in front of her

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and years later she was attending a

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seance

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in near joshua tree california

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and uh in front of about 30 other people

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in the room

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this ectoplasm the sector plaza that was

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coming from the ceiling

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and if people don't know what ectoplasm

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is is this kind of uh

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hair type substance or spidery substance

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that usually comes out of the

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mouths or orifices of the different

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spiritualist and takes on human form

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uh well in this case it was coming from

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the ceiling

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and little by little it turned into this

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same well she called it a space woman

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from venus

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that she had seen like several the

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decade a decade there before

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and she has the testimony of the the

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witnesses and so forth that saw this

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happen

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and and so two of her books she wrote

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about four or five in the early uh

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50s and i think even then they were kind

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of hard to uh

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to obtain unless you were one of the

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regular attendees at the

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famous uh giant rock uh airport in the

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in the desert the mojave desert

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uh you probably never heard of her uh

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but she wrote very two

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uh articulate books on the subject one

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is called uh up

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rainbow hill and the other one is called

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over the threshold

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uh and we have them in print and they're

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available on amazon.com uh

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or through our own publication the

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conspiracy journal uh what we do is

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we'll take a a manuscript that's been

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long out of print and uh

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probably a public domain and then we'll

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have

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people contemporary uh you know writers

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uh

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famous book that frank scully wrote

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uh behind the flying soldiers which was

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about the uh the crash in the aztec

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uh which took place uh probably around

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around the same time as

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uh roswell uh supposedly 16 bodies were

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found yeah and uh

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but of course the case has been uh

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pooh-poohed over the uh the years the

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credibility of the uh

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of the sources has been brought into uh

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dispute of course

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and the fbi had a huge three or four

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hundred file on

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a couple of those that claimed that they

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knew about the testimony or knew about

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the crash but

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recently a couple other researchers such

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as frank

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warren and art campbell have uh tracked

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down some of the other witnesses and

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some of you know maybe secondhand

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witnesses and it looks like the case is

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alive uh once more

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and so we've added all that between four

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more chapters to um

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to the uh the book by frank scully uh

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contributions by my contributions by

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myself and uh

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uh sean casteel and and so forth and

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it's made a very exciting presentation

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and uh apparently i believe something we

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have something like 209

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uh books in print some of which are uh

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you know

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current books and some of which are

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reprints of older books and

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some of the material is actually very

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amazing uh we took a

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uh you know harry houdini i i kind of

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was a fan of his growing up

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actually he wasn't he had deceased in

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that time

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you know my time i was a kid but uh

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still very well known of course there'd

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been movies that tony curtis

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was playing him in one of the movies you

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know and i've been books on the

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best-selling uh

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seller list and he was a a friend

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a contemporary of conan doyle sir arthur

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conan doyle who wrote

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the sherlock holmes series now of course

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houdini was very anti very skeptical

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uh about the whole spiritualist movement

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while

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doyle on the other hand uh believed in

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almost everything

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i mean he had actually studied and

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conversed and researched

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uh in fact most people don't realize

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this that doyle actually owned

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an occult bookstore in london i believe

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it was called

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bookstore uh which he ran for many years

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of course and and he was always um

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even though he of course became very

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famous and probably very wealthy

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by writing the sherlock holmes books he

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would rather have not done that i mean

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after a while he

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figured he had written enough about

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holmes and watson of course and wanted

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to write

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totally about the the paranormal and

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about spiritualism in particular

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so in those days you know people

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there was no internet of course and that

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mail was even slow but

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people let people like houdini and doyle

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lectured in front of

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huge audiences sometimes five or ten

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thousand people liking carnegie hall in

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new york and other

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locations in boston and then they would

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go overseas and they would go to south

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america

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and and people would follow their their

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research

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efforts i it was quite a live audience

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the participation was quite big in those

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days

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and um they actually had a debate that

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went on for many many years

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and doyle actually believed that houdini

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was very very

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uh psychic and was a medium himself and

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used the skepticism to cover

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this up because he said that many of the

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feats that the houdini performed

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were just incredible too incredible to

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uh to be uh you know

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done by magic and illusion and of course

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houdini on the other hand uh

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wrote the text after text uh proclaiming

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the spiritualist to be uh the

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totally uh you know total nonsense so

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we've taken a lot of that

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material and put it together in a book

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uh several books actually in fact

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and a lot of material either has been in

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print of course for 100 years

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or has never even been published at all

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and the amazing thing is

567
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:24,960
i sort of like the to take and compare

568
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:27,039
what what is going on today in the ufo

569
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:28,559
field with what was going on in the

570
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:29,360
spiritualist

571
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:31,840
movement back 100 or 150 years ago

572
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:33,440
there's many great parallels

573
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:35,200
today you have the great you know

574
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:37,360
disbelievers like the amazing randy

575
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:39,200
uh who's always out to approve yuri

576
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:40,720
geller and others to be a total

577
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:42,799
fake and now i know yuri pretty well

578
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:44,159
i've known him since he was in his early

579
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,960
twenties uh

580
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:46,720
and uh i've seen him do some pretty

581
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:48,640
incredible uh things i mean he may uh

582
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:49,919
kind of pull a wool over your eye every

583
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:51,520
once in a while but uh some of the

584
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:52,640
things that i've seen him do i think

585
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:53,520
we're just

586
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:56,000
we're not we're not trickery and and of

587
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:56,640
course uh

588
00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:59,679
back in uh in the houdini's day there

589
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:01,760
uh there were the the slight writers who

590
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:03,919
would uh and spirit photographers you

591
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:05,280
know if you come in a room and sit down

592
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:06,559
they would take a photo and there would

593
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,200
be your

594
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:09,600
your aunt tilly or your uncle john or

595
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:11,120
somebody that you you know love lost

596
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:12,559
relative who had been deceived for 20

597
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:12,960
years

598
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:14,799
would appear as a photograph which i

599
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:17,039
find kind of uh amazing i mean you know

600
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:17,840
it's

601
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:19,840
it just seems like that it seems

602
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:20,960
difficult to believe that

603
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:24,159
that could be that easily uh you know uh

604
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:25,679
i mean i could see where they could put

605
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,600
random of course random uh

606
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,280
you know pictures of spirits and so

607
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:31,200
forth but i get an actual family member

608
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:32,159
or a long

609
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:34,240
deceased a relative i mean where do they

610
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:35,520
get the picture from because

611
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:37,360
especially in those days it wasn't like

612
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:38,559
you know people were running around with

613
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:39,360
camcorders

614
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,799
yeah all right anyway so i i see a great

615
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,080
similarity between

616
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:46,559
what's going on today and in the uh in

617
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:49,600
ufology and what was going on

618
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:51,679
the psychic and spiritualism that back

619
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:52,960
um

620
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:55,919
quite a few years ago and and of course

621
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:56,960
i've had my own

622
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:00,080
and all i've had

623
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:03,200
uh three you know three experiences when

624
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:03,440
i

625
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:21,919
or august

626
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:24,000
and we were seated on the um on the

627
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,520
front porch you know and

628
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:27,360
in those days people didn't have any air

629
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:28,799
conditioning or anything like that so

630
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:30,400
you just kind of

631
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:32,080
set up a stoop until the temperature

632
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:34,880
went on and down and then you go indoors

633
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:36,799
uh so it was around i guess around

634
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:38,559
twilight or so you know just starting to

635
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:39,760
get dark out

636
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:42,400
and someone came pretty excitedly

637
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:43,840
running up to the porch and

638
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:46,000
out of breath you know and and and

639
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:47,600
played to the sky and

640
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:49,679
and and uh you know i thought this would

641
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,240
have been 1957 well now

642
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:54,000
flying the saucers that's what they were

643
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:55,760
called that were quite a

644
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:57,360
bit of the pop culture right there if

645
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,039
they still remain to this

646
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:01,360
to this day to some degree you know uh

647
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:03,360
but they were more in the newspaper then

648
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:05,200
today i guess outside of the internet

649
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,120
you really just don't see anything

650
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:09,600
in the paper uh mainly because the

651
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:11,360
papers are all controlled by you know

652
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:12,159
four or five

653
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:14,480
big corporations and so they all print

654
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:15,840
the same damn story

655
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:18,080
it's like you know watching cnn you'd

656
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:19,440
think that there were only three things

657
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:20,960
going on in the whole world

658
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,960
i mean it's it's amazing to me you can

659
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,480
you know you see this

660
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:26,400
they start out the show you know cnn and

661
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:27,679
they'll have all these big news rooms

662
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:29,200
and people running around on the tv

663
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:30,799
screens each everybody's editing all the

664
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:32,240
stories for the night and there's three

665
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:34,159
stories off and they repeat it over and

666
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:36,000
over from you know seven o'clock to like

667
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:37,760
four in the morning where's the rest of

668
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:39,279
the news it's a big

669
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,200
world out there you know so anyway in

670
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:43,679
those days the news was more localized

671
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:46,240
so uh the slideshows were in the news

672
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:47,600
and people were talking about it and

673
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:50,799
even on tv you know it was i think steve

674
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:53,120
allen was on you know i had a couple of

675
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,200
guests about ufos and

676
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:57,679
nature keyhole was uh fluffing around on

677
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:59,120
capitol hill trying to get some

678
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:00,640
congressional interest uh

679
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:03,200
going and uh there were sightings for

680
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,640
anyway so it was in the summertime and

681
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:06,320
we were sitting on the porch and uh

682
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:08,559
there were two objects in the sky now i

683
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:10,000
can't tell you that i saw

684
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:11,840
portholes or landing gear there were no

685
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:13,440
little men would wave to me or big men

686
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,480
for that matter or

687
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:16,320
what have you but it was it was

688
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:17,200
certainly something that was

689
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:19,120
unidentified one was directly

690
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,320
overhead uh above the uh

691
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:24,480
the house and the other one was across

692
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:25,679
the street uh over

693
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,080
an abandoned factory building and these

694
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,640
things just circled overhead for

695
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:32,320
i don't know a period of maybe 15

696
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:33,760
minutes or so

697
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:35,679
and then the one across the street it

698
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,799
looked like

699
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,320
someone had pulled a light switch just

700
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:40,720
like fog it was gone you know

701
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:43,520
and the other one continued this circle

702
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:45,200
right above the house there for

703
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:46,799
i guess a little while longer we finally

704
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:48,559
just went into the house you know i mean

705
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:52,159
people have started to disperse and

706
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:53,679
the next day there was a little item in

707
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:55,279
the newspaper to the affected other

708
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:57,760
people and had

709
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,559
seen this thing but the authorities were

710
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:02,320
saying that it was nothing more unusual

711
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:02,640
than

712
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:06,320
a weather balloon well even at the

713
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:08,159
age of 10 this seemed to me to be

714
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:09,520
something that was under intelligent

715
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:10,320
control

716
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:11,840
it was not something that was bobbing

717
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:13,919
and weaving in the air current

718
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:16,720
it was something that seemed to be some

719
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:18,880
intelligence behind it

720
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:21,039
so i wrote a letter to the local

721
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:23,120
newspaper about what i had seen

722
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:26,720
and i started uh getting other people

723
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:28,000
calling they've had other people have

724
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:30,480
sightings and um i started a little

725
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:32,480
newsletter i have started so many

726
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:35,600
i have edited over 30 news fan magazines

727
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,399
uh some about ufos but some as

728
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:40,080
diversified as

729
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:42,399
you know football i did a soap opera

730
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:43,440
magazine

731
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:45,760
and one of my favorites actually was a

732
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:48,159
magazine called front page disasters

733
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:50,640
which only lasted for three issues but i

734
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:51,679
always snuck

735
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:53,679
a paranormal article in there about you

736
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:55,360
know

737
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:57,279
strange disappearances of the bermuda

738
00:28:03,110 --> 00:27:59,440
triangle i mean that's a disaster

739
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,120
yeah and and strange shipwrecks and

740
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:05,600
and and um you know things like i always

741
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:07,120
no matter what i was editing

742
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:10,159
i managed to get like a uh a a a a

743
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:10,720
strange

744
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:12,880
article in there except for moped action

745
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,080
i did a magazine on

746
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,480
multi-action and that was hard to uh

747
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:18,240
that was hard to figure out what to put

748
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:18,960
in there you know

749
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:20,880
like that and that only lasted one issue

750
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:22,880
because there's no action on a motor

751
00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:25,600
yeah anyway so i i was i was intrigued

752
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:27,039
by the subjects uh

753
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:29,600
uh from an early age and uh when i was

754
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:32,399
about 14 or 15 i had a few dollars saved

755
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:36,000
unlike today and i took that money and i

756
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:37,840
went out and bought a gastetner

757
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:39,520
mimeograph machine

758
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:41,200
i don't even know if people know what a

759
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:47,830
you put a lot of ink in it it was very

760
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:49,840
messy and you grinded out the uh

761
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:52,080
you typed the stencil and grinded out

762
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:54,000
the uh the copies

763
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:56,799
it started out as uh i think about six

764
00:29:02,789 --> 00:28:57,200
or

765
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:02,799
of 50 and by time i threw in the towel

766
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:05,279
i had a circulation of about 1250. i was

767
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:06,000
almost as big as

768
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:08,480
april and it had grown to about 40 pages

769
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:09,120
well now

770
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:11,200
there was nobody that there was no fast

771
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:13,039
copy shops in those things you had a

772
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:16,080
collated page by page by page you put

773
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:17,679
them on the top yeah put them on the top

774
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:18,960
of the couch and then

775
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:21,120
and just go one two at a time maybe even

776
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:22,480
learn to do it a little faster you know

777
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:23,279
then you have to

778
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:24,960
staple them and take them to the post

779
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:26,320
office and

780
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,640
and put postage on it in fact even in

781
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:30,720
those days the stamps and the

782
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:33,360
you had to lick them you know so the

783
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:34,240
first public

784
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:42,399
the interplanetary news service report

785
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,080
and uh it has some telephone there was

786
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:46,559
an artist by the name of gene de pantier

787
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:48,799
up in canada oh yeah yeah he's a good

788
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,000
player oh yeah

789
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:52,720
yeah yeah he was he was the best artist

790
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:59,750
and i do he's never gotten up he's never

791
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:01,039
gotten on the internet

792
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,559
but i i still don't know he's supposed

793
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:04,480
to stay in the uh i guess

794
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:18,070
there you go so anyway anyway i've been

795
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:19,279
i've been doing this

796
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:22,720
all of my life and um that's that's

797
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:25,279
you know and it's a it's the subject has

798
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:27,039
continued to intrigue me you know

799
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:28,880
and people say well do you believe

800
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:30,320
everything you publish

801
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:32,240
and i say of course not that that would

802
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:34,080
be that would be impossible

803
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,279
but i have no i have i have no

804
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,360
explanation for ufos so

805
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:41,440
i do believe i do believe that almost

806
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:42,799
everybody

807
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:45,600
should have a uh should have a soapbox

808
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:46,880
or a spaceship to

809
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:49,440
uh espouse their beliefs uh you know

810
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:50,320
from

811
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:53,039
uh the only things the only thing things

812
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:53,520
i don't

813
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:56,000
quite go for are groups that are kind of

814
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:58,399
like cult oriented like billy meyer and

815
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:00,960
and the aliens and yeah all the other

816
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:02,480
iraelians i got to kind of forgive them

817
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:03,760
because i know they prance around the

818
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:04,720
nudes sometimes

819
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:08,399
yeah yeah that's okay yeah i i i had uh

820
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:10,640
i had rayleigh and priest donna on and

821
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:12,320
she sent me some photos and

822
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:15,760
all right i'm thankful almost converted

823
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:16,320
to the

824
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:27,590
you guys have a lot of knowledge uh you

825
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:28,960
know in this area

826
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:31,279
and uh well we've got a lot of

827
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:32,480
interesting stories

828
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,960
yeah that was knowledge in ufos it's

829
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:36,320
something that's a little bit hard to

830
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,360
come by you know

831
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:39,360
i i was listening to a program the other

832
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:40,880
day and it's like

833
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:43,200
i think from up in canada and i don't

834
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,640
know if they've got any recent

835
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:46,640
shows you know in the last couple of

836
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:48,320
years but they've got a lot of programs

837
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:49,200
archived

838
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:51,679
and and these guys are so stuck up about

839
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:52,640
this you know

840
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:56,480
like they know the answers and you know

841
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:58,720
and everybody else except for them is

842
00:32:01,830 --> 00:32:00,880
bringing disgrace and ridicule down on

843
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:01,840
the field

844
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:03,679
well you know to the average guy in the

845
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:05,760
street they don't know and they don't

846
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:06,799
care

847
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,720
uh i i do believe that there are maybe

848
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:10,080
at any one point

849
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:13,120
maybe 3 000 so-called legitimate uh

850
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:16,159
ufologist in the country maybe

851
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:19,440
uh 20 000 in the world and they'll throw

852
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:20,480
in a few more

853
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:22,799
million if you include china but we

854
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:24,000
don't really know who

855
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:25,360
you know we don't really have too much

856
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:27,039
contact with china although i know

857
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,120
of paul stonehill didn't you have him on

858
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:31,200
recently yeah i had him on uh

859
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:32,720
probably two weeks ago that was a great

860
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:34,880
show yeah yeah yeah because he's

861
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:36,159
and then there's another there's another

862
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:39,519
guy in hong kong who does the uh the exo

863
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:54,549
india i had the hong kong guy on too man

864
00:33:00,389 --> 00:32:55,519
you

865
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:00,399
show well we're only i think this is 85

866
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:03,120
so it's been a year so we still we're

867
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:04,159
still going in

868
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:06,080
and you know i'm like you got another

869
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:07,840
you got it you got a few more years that

870
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:09,840
you could go yes yeah

871
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:11,679
well that's one thing you know just when

872
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:14,159
you think that ufos are all washed up

873
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:16,000
and there'll never be another sighting

874
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:18,880
here comes the next big one yeah and

875
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:20,799
it's been it's been like that for

876
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:23,519
it's the only subject you can't sleep

877
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,080
under the

878
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:26,880
rug yeah although everything else is

879
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:27,600
under my run

880
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:30,960
but uh that's you know it it

881
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:33,200
it really it really really just it just

882
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:35,039
maintains itself you know

883
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:37,120
it has got it there's something to it

884
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:39,039
whatever that something is you know

885
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,919
and uh i i have to say pity me after all

886
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:42,960
these years

887
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:44,559
uh you know i won't say that i'm

888
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:46,640
confused because i have my own beliefs

889
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:50,000
on this but um you know evidence

890
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:51,840
there's evidence that it's a real

891
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:53,360
phenomenon obviously they

892
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:56,960
um you know they they live they leave

893
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,799
impressions on the ground i don't know

894
00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:00,480
about the crop circles but they couldn't

895
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:04,840
be behind you know some of those

896
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:07,600
um you know ted phillips has done a

897
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,399
remarkable

898
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:10,560
job of uh documenting i think he's got

899
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:11,440
four or 500

900
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:14,240
physical trades cases and uh he's an

901
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:15,359
exceptionally good that

902
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:16,960
you know has a lot of really good

903
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:18,639
knowledge uh on the

904
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:22,159
on the subject uh and and yet you know

905
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:25,520
where where do ufos go i mean uh

906
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:27,599
they just they blink out and and they're

907
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:28,639
gone you know even

908
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:31,119
even when they leave the physical traces

909
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:31,679
so

910
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,280
just uh you know the lights in the sky

911
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:39,599
but uh if you say that they come from

912
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:40,480
jupiter or

913
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:43,760
mars uh i would i would i would hedge my

914
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:44,480
bet

915
00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:46,720
i would just think that it's difficult

916
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:47,839
to prove now

917
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:49,280
of course there are sightings by the

918
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:51,200
astronauts uh in fact you know

919
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:53,599
i had a a fairly long conversation with

920
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:55,359
the gordon cooper

921
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,440
in fact gordon cooper called me on the

922
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:59,040
phone it's not too many people to get a

923
00:35:02,230 --> 00:34:59,599
call

924
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:02,240
from your favorite astronaut yeah uh uh

925
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:03,920
because he had heard i i had been on a

926
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:05,119
show

927
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:07,920
down in florida come a segment um maybe

928
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,880
it was around uh

929
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:10,720
help me out here uh saint petersburg

930
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:13,440
tidewater no tight waters in virginia

931
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:16,000
uh any anyway where was the the bridge

932
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:17,119
there was a bridge

933
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:20,640
yeah no he's thought he's talking about

934
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:21,760
the skyway bridge

935
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:24,800
that fell yeah yeah okay

936
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:27,280
okay yeah yeah yeah there's a fella

937
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,000
there was a fella

938
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:30,640
there was a fellow and i i excuse me my

939
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:31,760
my memory

940
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:34,240
is okay you know it's not as great as

941
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:35,040
that but it is

942
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,880
it is in my book uh on mj twelve the

943
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:38,320
little hangar uh

944
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:41,599
18. uh which is a great book on ufo

945
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:43,839
crashes thank you thank you and it can

946
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:45,920
be gotten from amazon.com or

947
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:47,440
uh people can just go to our website

948
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:49,280
which is conspiracyjournal.com and sign

949
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,960
up for our free publications we have

950
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:52,800
so many free things that just boggles

951
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:54,560
the mind yeah i i don't need it

952
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:56,720
i love you let me let me interrupt you

953
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:58,320
because you know you you gotta interrupt

954
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:59,839
you you got it

955
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:01,920
yeah yeah tell us about that tell the

956
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:03,520
people where they can get conspiracy

957
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,000
journal

958
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,400
i love it and it comes on the internet

959
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,240
uh no we we have we have

960
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,480
uh there's a version okay there's a

961
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:12,240
version of

962
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:13,760
the conspiracy journal the newsletter

963
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:15,520
that comes out every friday

964
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,480
uh tim schwartz is the webmaster and

965
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:19,920
he's an expert also on

966
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:21,920
tesla and written for all the different

967
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:23,599
magazines a lot of our

968
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:25,839
journals and publications and he does

969
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:27,200
the weekly uh

970
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:30,240
newsletter and then there is uh the mail

971
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:30,720
order

972
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:33,760
version which i uh have been putting out

973
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:35,839
i do the conspiracy journal i think you

974
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:38,400
were up to issue 32 on that

975
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,079
and also another publication called

976
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:42,240
bizarre bizarre which is kind of more

977
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:42,880
occult

978
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:45,359
physical uh off-beat it's a you know and

979
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:46,880
we have that we have interviews with our

980
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:47,920
authors we have uh

981
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:49,520
interviews with a lot of different

982
00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:51,040
people and folks uh

983
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:53,839
let me just let me use it let me yeah

984
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:54,320
tim

985
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:56,079
let me break it just for a minute and do

986
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:57,359
a little ad for you

987
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:59,920
i just got the new issue of conspiracy

988
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:00,720
journal man

989
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:04,000
and it is great i mean great

990
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:06,320
the way it's designed is like the old

991
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:07,760
pulp magazines and

992
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:09,920
and those of us who were there we love

993
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:10,800
it and he

994
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:13,839
uh it it has interviews and and

995
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:15,839
shorts from some of the books he's got

996
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:17,520
and you guys

997
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:19,200
you know and it's free so you guys

998
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:21,440
subscribe i mean the online one is so

999
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:22,640
subscribe to that uh

1000
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:25,520
you know uh i'm sure him can use some

1001
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:26,960
more people

1002
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,480
oh yeah we can we can

1003
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:32,880
yeah okay anyway they can just go they

1004
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:34,640
can email me actually it's uh

1005
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:37,920
mr ufo mrufo

1006
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:41,200
at webtv.net mr ufo

1007
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:44,000
webtv.net and just say hi i heard you on

1008
00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:45,200
the show

1009
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:47,839
and send me your stuff and and you know

1010
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,119
and and we'll do that or

1011
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:51,359
they can sign up on online there too

1012
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:53,119
with the conspiracy journal and we'll

1013
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:54,880
just send them we got more magazines

1014
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:56,000
coming out in the next

1015
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:58,320
couple of weeks and uh we don't even ask

1016
00:38:01,510 --> 00:38:00,079
for a donation we just ask

1017
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:01,520
everybody break down every once in a

1018
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:03,839
while and buy a dvd we we even get

1019
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:05,440
almost every book that we send out we

1020
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:07,200
give them a free dvd you know i mean we

1021
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,920
just got

1022
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:09,680
so much stuff that i've collected i like

1023
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:11,440
to share it with everybody i mean i i

1024
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:11,839
don't

1025
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:30,950
i'm always working on something you know

1026
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:32,720
i've always got some big project uh

1027
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,320
in uh uh in in line here you know

1028
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,640
but this this book on disclosure is like

1029
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:40,720
encyclopedia it's 300 pages

1030
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:42,400
it's loaded with documents and

1031
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:44,800
photographs and we've got interviews

1032
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:47,839
with nick pope and a.g

1033
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:49,839
gavar from brazil now if you haven't

1034
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,040
interviewed him he's a

1035
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,680
fabulous uh a person you know he was

1036
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,200
actually responsible for getting

1037
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:57,760
the brazilian military to release a lot

1038
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:59,119
of their documents and these are not

1039
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,240
mundane sightings

1040
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:02,000
i would say out of the out of all the

1041
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:03,760
countries so far that has uh released

1042
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:04,880
the material

1043
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,359
brazil would be uh the number one for

1044
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:09,200
really having some sensational stuff i

1045
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:09,599
mean

1046
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,119
there have been some mutilations of

1047
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:13,200
animals and humans been burnt and

1048
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:16,079
disappearances and levitations and they

1049
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,480
have

1050
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:18,560
uh one event they call the night of the

1051
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:20,240
saucer the flying forces

1052
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:23,839
took place i think it was 1985 where

1053
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:26,240
i i don't know several dozen military

1054
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:28,160
brazilian military planes chased the you

1055
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,280
know like the

1056
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:31,440
50 ufos in the sky photographs were

1057
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:32,400
taken

1058
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:34,560
picked up on radar very very very

1059
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:35,440
legitimate

1060
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:38,880
high caliber uh sightings and

1061
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:41,280
so h.a.m he puts out of course the

1062
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:42,000
magazine and

1063
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:44,800
portuguese over there ufo contact which

1064
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:46,480
is a fabulous magazine if i could read

1065
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:46,880
it

1066
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,960
but he does he is on the web and he does

1067
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:50,720
probably some of the stuff in english

1068
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,720
and he has just done a remarkable job of

1069
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:54,400
getting the brazilian the military to

1070
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:55,599
release some of the stuff

1071
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:58,000
also denmark a little country like

1072
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:00,640
denmark has some really really great uh

1073
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:03,680
uh reports a lot of them involving

1074
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:06,880
uh pilots and uh scandinavia actually

1075
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,760
and most of

1076
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,119
american researchers are totally

1077
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:11,760
unfamiliar with this uh scandinavia

1078
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:14,240
has been uh head over heels in love with

1079
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:15,200
ufos

1080
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:17,200
uh for 40 this is as long as the

1081
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,040
americans have been in fact

1082
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:21,680
i think the first contact or setting in

1083
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:22,880
in the scandinavia

1084
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,079
goes back and forth to world war ii

1085
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:28,079
uh what that would be the uh i guess

1086
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:31,760
that uh maybe around 1942 43

1087
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:34,640
uh with the sightings of the ghost

1088
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,160
rockets

1089
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:38,560
uh and uh our uh our book this

1090
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:39,760
disclosure book

1091
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,440
it's not up on amazon yet but it should

1092
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:43,200
be maybe in a week or so again

1093
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,200
people can just go to amazon and type in

1094
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,520
timothy beckley b-e-c-k-l-e-y and

1095
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:49,599
there'll be about 80 books with my name

1096
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:51,040
on it that's why i put my name on

1097
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:52,000
everything because it's

1098
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:53,920
it's easy to find stuff you know it's

1099
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:55,680
not like going into a bookstore

1100
00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:58,960
today you know you gotta you gotta be

1101
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:01,920
able to google yeah yeah i gotta i got a

1102
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:03,920
couple of the books up on the show page

1103
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:12,710
this is very interesting when i when i

1104
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:14,960
was in the the third or fourth grade

1105
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,640
i had to do a book report probably the

1106
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:18,480
first one that i ever had to write

1107
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,599
okay and what book did i uh i review but

1108
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:23,520
they knew too much about flying saucers

1109
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:24,800
by greg barker

1110
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,800
well a little bit i know at the uh at

1111
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:29,040
the time of course that uh great barker

1112
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:30,560
uh when i was about 15 years old

1113
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:32,160
published my first book which was on the

1114
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:34,400
shaver mystery in the inner earth and we

1115
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:35,920
became a fairly good

1116
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:38,960
friends and when he passed away

1117
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:41,200
i bought the last 50 hardcover copies of

1118
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:43,359
they knew so much about flying saucers

1119
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:45,920
uh i got a b i think a b minus on the

1120
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,760
review case everybody uh

1121
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,680
in case anybody cares and i i came

1122
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,280
across a review actually very

1123
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:53,760
recently uh for a small buck i'll

1124
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:57,200
photocopy and said it's anybody

1125
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:00,400
well that's crazy yeah but that was yeah

1126
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:03,680
i've yes

1127
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:06,160
yeah yeah uh you know you and i of

1128
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:06,960
course

1129
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:10,640
we have a a hero that that we share

1130
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:14,000
uh and and i i got to talk to him a

1131
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,680
couple times on the phone and of course

1132
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:17,520
i'm talking about raymond palmer

1133
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,000
you got to meet him am i right would you

1134
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:21,920
tell us

1135
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:23,920
actually no i never met ray palmer

1136
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,119
believe it or not in fact

1137
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:28,079
ray palmer was kind of a strange person

1138
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,800
in that way

1139
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:31,200
he didn't uh i guess because he was

1140
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:31,839
somewhat

1141
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:33,680
semi handicapped to some degree right

1142
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:35,040
right

1143
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:38,960
yeah the spinal the difference

1144
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:42,000
yeah okay and also to just okay just

1145
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:42,319
like

1146
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:45,440
hard to put out

1147
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:48,000
you know like five magazines and when

1148
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:49,119
fans are at your door

1149
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:51,359
and and i and i understand that in fact

1150
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,240
i kind of keep

1151
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:54,720
hidden away uh every once in a while

1152
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:56,240
i'll go out on a

1153
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:59,920
i call it a ufo safari and uh

1154
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,359
you know i'll and then i take my

1155
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:03,440
camcorder with me and i i do a bunch of

1156
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:04,880
interviews in fact i did that

1157
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:07,280
recently i i've done the oh interviews

1158
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:08,400
with tom dango

1159
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:15,910
all the books that i i publish i'll

1160
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:17,839
throw one of them in as a surprise or

1161
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:19,599
sometimes i announce it in advance so

1162
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,319
you get a book

1163
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,800
and the uh dvd you know but yeah i know

1164
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,000
and

1165
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:26,720
right the dvds are great thank you yeah

1166
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:28,400
yeah

1167
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:31,680
you are cute go ahead you are but you

1168
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:32,720
are sort of like

1169
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:35,839
i call it you know you you're just like

1170
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:36,880
ray palmer man

1171
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:44,790
degree but my dvds i call it my unfair

1172
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:45,760
unbalanced

1173
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,960
unedited series so whatever if you sit

1174
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:50,640
in front of my camera and i interview

1175
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:51,280
you

1176
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:53,440
everybody sees exactly what happened

1177
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:55,040
there's no fancy doodads

1178
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:58,240
with it it's unfair and not balanced but

1179
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,800
yeah right

1180
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:01,200
ray palmer uh now in in fact you know

1181
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,640
how i i did a column for

1182
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,720
a for ray palmer's magazine called on

1183
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:06,880
the trail of the flying saucers

1184
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:10,160
yes i read it many times anytime oh okay

1185
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:11,119
all right well now

1186
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:13,920
uh great barker had done a a a column

1187
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:15,200
there called what was it chasing the

1188
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:16,240
flying saucers

1189
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:17,760
and for some reason that escapes me at

1190
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:20,319
the moment he stopped doing the column

1191
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:22,319
so i i wrote a letter to ray palmer and

1192
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:23,359
you know when don't say

1193
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,040
ray palmer had the biggest circulation

1194
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:26,880
any flying social magazine i think ever

1195
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:27,680
published

1196
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:30,079
uh he distributed himself to newsstands

1197
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:30,800
personally

1198
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:33,040
i mean he didn't go in a car but he had

1199
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:34,480
some sort of weird

1200
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:37,119
distribution deal with newsstands and it

1201
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:38,400
was the same places that you could

1202
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,760
always go to and you knew where you're

1203
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:40,880
going to find it

1204
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:42,560
unlike what magazines that i've done and

1205
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,400
everybody else does which are hit or

1206
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:46,240
miss you can sell like three copies of a

1207
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:46,960
newsstand

1208
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:48,640
and it'll never be put back there again

1209
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:50,160
anyway you know i mean it's just

1210
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:51,760
magazine distribution is very very

1211
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:54,480
peculiar but uh anyway i sent the column

1212
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:55,680
just on speculation

1213
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:57,119
he never even told me he was going to

1214
00:45:02,950 --> 00:44:59,119
use it next thing i know it was it was

1215
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:05,030
yeah yeah i i said i better hurry up and

1216
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:06,480
do the next column

1217
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,480
and so i i guess i read that column

1218
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:10,319
maybe for about

1219
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,400
i i would think four or five years

1220
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:14,400
because i recently did the reprint

1221
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:17,280
most of them in the book uh called uh

1222
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:18,800
strange saga

1223
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:21,040
along with my earlier yeah oh that is

1224
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:23,280
great that's another great book

1225
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:26,560
yeah well it's all it's all all my early

1226
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:29,599
it's early tim beckley yeah if you guys

1227
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:30,560
don't get any

1228
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,510
what is that disclosure book you have

1229
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:39,280
coming out i want to get that the name

1230
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:40,800
of it out there

1231
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:42,160
okay well basically it's just a

1232
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:44,160
disclosure and it's by

1233
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:47,520
myself and uh sean casteel

1234
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:49,920
okay and uh and this uh i think if you

1235
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:51,200
just uh it's not on

1236
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,319
it's not on uh uh with

1237
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,480
amazon yet because i just uh said in the

1238
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:58,800
material a day or two ago but uh

1239
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:01,520
i it's it's it's certainly written up um

1240
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:03,920
uh in our next conspiracy uh journal so

1241
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:05,680
if anybody just emails me uh

1242
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:07,359
we'll send them a copy and they'll know

1243
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:09,839
all about it uh in fact we have a uh

1244
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:10,640
interview with

1245
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,800
reagan lee in there well that wouldn't

1246
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:14,720
happen the that interview happens to be

1247
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:15,839
about the

1248
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,599
death valley i have a book called the

1249
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:19,440
secret to death valley that i just uh

1250
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:20,319
came out with

1251
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:22,400
and that has uh in addition to a lot of

1252
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:24,079
urban legends about death valley you

1253
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:25,520
know they have bigfoot and

1254
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,280
orbs and underground bases and

1255
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:29,280
everything going on in death valley so

1256
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:32,800
don't go there you know there is even

1257
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:35,040
about this there is even there is even a

1258
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,400
haunted opera house in death valley

1259
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:40,400
and i really at a really good italian

1260
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:41,680
restaurant that i ate on

1261
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:44,319
aiden on christmas eve is haunted by

1262
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:45,520
that's haunted by

1263
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:48,640
the the previous chef

1264
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:50,960
so now that that that's a real that's a

1265
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:53,119
real orgasmic

1266
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:55,040
consideration if you ever have one and

1267
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:56,400
sometimes i understand

1268
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:58,400
i understand that the ghost of the chef

1269
00:47:01,270 --> 00:47:00,319
comes on and comes out and will tap you

1270
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,280
on the shoulder

1271
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:03,359
if you use the wrong spices he gets

1272
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:09,910
wow uh yeah that's that's the next one i

1273
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:11,760
want to read i i read about it in this

1274
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:12,160
season

1275
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:14,079
all right spiritually that one that that

1276
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:17,119
one that one is out the uh the uh

1277
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:19,280
the tex valley uh book is uh secrets of

1278
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:20,319
death valley

1279
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:22,240
mysteries of the mojave i think there's

1280
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:23,359
a subtitle on it

1281
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:26,480
and it's got uh the rare manuscript or

1282
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:27,440
our first

1283
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:29,599
book that uh george van tassel you know

1284
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,640
who uh

1285
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:32,720
claimed that he met this being from uh

1286
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:35,040
venus by the name of solganda

1287
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,960
who landed at his little private airport

1288
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:38,640
he had a an airport out there in the

1289
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:40,000
middle of the uh

1290
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:41,520
not too far from joshua tree in the

1291
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:43,280
middle of the mojave desert

1292
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:46,720
and he had of course his famous ufo

1293
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:49,280
conclave his ufo conventions every year

1294
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,720
and some of those people i think drew

1295
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,800
law alliance uh that stretched all the

1296
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:54,480
way to los angeles almost i mean he'd

1297
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:55,280
have ten or

1298
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:57,280
fifteen thousand people you know show up

1299
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:59,119
at one of his conventions it was mainly

1300
00:48:02,790 --> 00:47:59,520
uh

1301
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,800
people who write

1302
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:04,640
that they have some am i looking at this

1303
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:06,079
picture over there and there's somebody

1304
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:07,200
in it moving

1305
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:13,670
i better keep away from the bottle and

1306
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:16,240
have my glasses cleaned i swear yeah

1307
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:17,680
uh well you never know what's going to

1308
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:19,599
happen at the pavillo's uh

1309
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,200
place here yeah and anthony pamela

1310
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:25,200
on the on the on the table where i see

1311
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,640
the picture moving it says

1312
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,280
there's a neon sign that says lounge on

1313
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:33,990
that's not music now the picture is yeah

1314
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:35,119
sir uh

1315
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:37,200
anyway so uh george man george van

1316
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:38,800
tassel had all these early contact

1317
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:39,839
experiences

1318
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:41,359
right there in the desert in front of

1319
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,520
giant rock which was the largest

1320
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,359
standing rock in north america this

1321
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:47,280
thing is like eight stories

1322
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:49,440
tall even though an earthquake recently

1323
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:50,960
i think knocked a big block

1324
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,559
i've knocked it not in half but it's not

1325
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:54,800
the big chunk of it uh off you know

1326
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:58,160
and uh he claimed that he had actually

1327
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:00,079
had a telepathic contact with these

1328
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:02,319
beings from other planets and he

1329
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:03,839
channeled he had a room that they had

1330
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,880
dug out under

1331
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:06,880
under this rock under giant rock and he

1332
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:08,559
would go down there and he would channel

1333
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:10,160
there were actually these beings he

1334
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:12,000
claimed would speak uh

1335
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:13,359
through him pretty much like the

1336
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:15,040
spiritualist had uh you know

1337
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:18,240
your spirits uh

1338
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,280
yeah you know talking to them

1339
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:24,000
so again they're quite a similarity but

1340
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:25,680
uh there was a the first book that he

1341
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:28,000
did describing his experience was called

1342
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:31,839
i rode on a flying saucer

1343
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:35,359
which back in 1952 must have been pretty

1344
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:36,240
exciting

1345
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:37,839
today i guess people were kind of yawn

1346
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,839
at that but i i said to myself well you

1347
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:41,520
know that's in the public domain i gotta

1348
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:42,800
include this

1349
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:45,200
uh in the uh the book on death valley in

1350
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:47,520
ohio he does it so there's a blurb

1351
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,839
very exciting cover of the book by tim

1352
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:51,440
schwartz there's a blurb on the

1353
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,200
the cover it says you know includes the

1354
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:55,280
original classic by george van tassel i

1355
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:56,880
wrote out a flying saucer a border

1356
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,000
flying saucer

1357
00:50:02,069 --> 00:50:00,319
so that book i haven't even see i mean i

1358
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,079
had a a dusty old

1359
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:04,240
of course all my books are dusty but i

1360
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:05,200
had dusty

1361
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:07,440
dusty coffee that i found on the top

1362
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:08,880
shelf next to some

1363
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:11,839
fate magazines from 1952 you know and i

1364
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:13,839
said well i gotta include this uh

1365
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:15,839
in there because no book on the milani

1366
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,200
desert would be

1367
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:19,359
uh you know worth anything if there

1368
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:20,960
wasn't something on george van tassel

1369
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,440
you know

1370
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:23,599
because he had uh also he also played

1371
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:25,119
that he had gotten instructions from the

1372
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:26,000
space people

1373
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,160
on how to build a rejuvenation or time

1374
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:30,640
machine which still stands as they

1375
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:32,319
uh in the desert it's called the

1376
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:34,960
rejuvenation machine or the integratron

1377
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,480
and they still have little seminars and

1378
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:38,640
stuff out there it's his dome building

1379
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:41,280
anybody can google it just like that

1380
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:42,079
yeah it's a

1381
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:44,319
it there's no no nails or any metal or

1382
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:45,680
anything

1383
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,359
it's amazing building i don't care

1384
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:49,520
whether he got it from uh

1385
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:51,839
the design from the space people or not

1386
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:53,359
and he was an intriguing fellow you know

1387
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:54,000
i've met his

1388
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:57,119
family and his um

1389
00:51:01,589 --> 00:51:00,079
nephew uh is a contact me too a fellow

1390
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:01,599
by the name of daniel boone

1391
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:03,760
as you saw this guy he looks like the

1392
00:51:07,829 --> 00:51:05,599
one of the guitar players

1393
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,839
from zz top you know he's got a beard

1394
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,119
down to his uh

1395
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:11,680
his weight and he's got some amazing

1396
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:13,920
stories uh he wasn't the only van tassel

1397
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:16,000
you know person there that had a contact

1398
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:17,520
right he he told me

1399
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:20,480
and quite a artist that one night before

1400
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:21,119
they had

1401
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:22,960
running water out in the the that part

1402
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:24,400
of the mojave he

1403
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:25,760
wanted he got up in the middle of the

1404
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:28,480
night had to go to the uh uh

1405
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,680
outhouse right and there was no reason

1406
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:33,119
to put any clothes on because who are

1407
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:34,160
you gonna meet in the middle of the

1408
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:34,720
desert at

1409
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:36,720
four o'clock in the morning pitch black

1410
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:38,559
anyway he goes out he heads to the

1411
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:40,960
the the outhouse which isn't too far

1412
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:42,319
away and

1413
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:44,319
there are people out there talking to

1414
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:45,839
him all of a sudden and he looks around

1415
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:47,040
and he's a spaceship

1416
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:49,200
and they invite him on board for a ride

1417
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:50,800
and he said well i can't go on board the

1418
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,359
ride

1419
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:53,760
you know i board the ship i i make it

1420
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:55,200
and they just said oh come on dan we

1421
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:56,000
don't care

1422
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,680
and so i guess he went on board he may

1423
00:52:02,950 --> 00:51:59,280
be the first naked earth thing ever to

1424
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:05,750
i i i always found that that story

1425
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:07,839
rather intriguing and uh

1426
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:10,960
uh they it's kind of it's kind of a sad

1427
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:12,160
in a way

1428
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:15,440
uh you know uh i guess uh van tassel was

1429
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:17,359
married a couple of times

1430
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:21,200
and uh the the children are from one of

1431
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:21,839
the wives

1432
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:24,240
but the integrity trial belongs to the

1433
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:25,040
other one uh

1434
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:28,480
it's a anyway so they uh the family

1435
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:30,000
the members of the family that are still

1436
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:31,599
left they don't even have a key to get

1437
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:32,000
into the

1438
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:35,280
integration but they live behind it wow

1439
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:37,520
and i just i mean that's like you know i

1440
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,559
mean that's kind of like

1441
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:40,559
this is granddaddy's work but i can't

1442
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,470
they have uh integratron.com and

1443
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,480
you know what what's really strange is

1444
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:49,920
you know they have all these shows

1445
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:51,200
nowadays on

1446
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:54,720
ufos and uh mr channel and other shows

1447
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:57,040
but they never talk about this kind of

1448
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:59,520
stuff they never talk about old school

1449
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:00,960
ufology

1450
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:05,040
exactly i want to say right here i want

1451
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:06,559
to say right here that's the whole point

1452
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:08,960
i want to get across about tim beck

1453
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:11,520
tim beckley is saving this stuff if you

1454
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:13,440
guys and he doesn't charge much for his

1455
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:16,319
books he throws in all kinds of free cd

1456
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:18,640
and and all kinds of stuff if you guys

1457
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:21,200
if you guys don't buy his books

1458
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:23,599
he's not going to be able to save more

1459
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,400
and by the way

1460
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:26,400
i'm not calling you i found a book i

1461
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:27,680
think but

1462
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:29,760
but you know he he takes his old stuff

1463
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:32,079
and he puts new he gets new people

1464
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:35,839
uh great coverage cover

1465
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:39,119
coverage yeah you know

1466
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:41,359
don't jump you know you're missing a

1467
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:43,599
chance to help save some of the old

1468
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:44,880
ufology

1469
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:47,280
uh writings and and that's that's why i

1470
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:48,880
wanted to come on tonight

1471
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:51,119
to thank tim for doing that and to let

1472
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:52,800
people get right

1473
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:55,440
i i real i i real you know dennis i

1474
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:56,000
really

1475
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:57,760
appreciate you you you're coming out

1476
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,040
because i always enjoy chatting

1477
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:01,359
with you in fact you and i gotta i've

1478
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:02,800
gotta do your show i mean

1479
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:05,680
now it's time to plug you brought it

1480
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:06,800
yeah

1481
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:10,880
you brought it up you brought it up

1482
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:13,040
a matter of fact uh you know when i was

1483
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:15,280
talking to you tim you know i i go to

1484
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:17,119
dennis stannis is the man you know

1485
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:19,520
he's the guy in our little community i

1486
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:20,480
said hey uh

1487
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:23,760
you know tim are you dennis are you on

1488
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:25,119
the phone or are you in the same place

1489
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:26,000
at the moment

1490
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:28,000
no no he's on the phone with me i got

1491
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:29,040
the phone i'm on the show

1492
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:31,520
you live nearby well we're both in

1493
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,040
florida but we have a little bit

1494
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:36,240
back here we have a group of researchers

1495
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:38,640
that we all you know we're all together

1496
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:40,240
we all talk every day so i

1497
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:42,640
you know i asked him if he heard of you

1498
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:44,559
you know and he just went oh there's so

1499
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:45,359
many great

1500
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:49,040
great stuff and uh one thing i wanted to

1501
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,640
tell you you were talking about the

1502
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:52,559
the book that you're going into into the

1503
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:54,480
aztec crash i have a

1504
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:56,960
a good friend who's also a writer uh

1505
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:59,119
dennis whitney who just visited the

1506
00:55:02,069 --> 00:55:00,640
crash site he's been doing a lot of

1507
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:02,079
research on that

1508
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:04,160
and uh writing about that on his blog

1509
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,160
strange planet

1510
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:08,240
uh well i'll have to check that check

1511
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:10,079
that out anyway before i go i've got

1512
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:12,880
some other things here to do but um

1513
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:15,520
okay i i i again i just want to say

1514
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:16,480
thank you for having me

1515
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,920
and next time we'll do another we'll do

1516
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:19,359
another hour because there's so much

1517
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:20,400
more to talk about

1518
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:22,240
got to talk about my experiences with

1519
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:23,920
the uh the men in uh

1520
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:26,079
black oh yeah in fact you know i was on

1521
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:27,440
the episode

1522
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:29,680
of the ufo hunters called the silencers

1523
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:31,440
and that's on the you know you could

1524
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:33,440
just google that on youtube i think and

1525
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:35,520
and so forth and uh

1526
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:37,200
again anybody just wants to keep in

1527
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:39,119
touch and share information with me or

1528
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:40,240
vice versa

1529
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:43,920
just uh go to conspiracyjournal.com

1530
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:48,000
or mr mr ufo webtv.net and

1531
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:51,040
uh we'll take it from there all righty

1532
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:52,240
one quick thing

1533
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:55,520
before you go uh actually bill and nancy

1534
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:56,960
burns are doing their own

1535
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:59,040
radio show now i don't know if you heard

1536
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:00,240
but uh i have

1537
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:02,400
i have a huge article that i helped

1538
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:04,400
nancy prince finally because i did it

1539
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:05,680
quite a few um

1540
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:08,640
uh months ago uh it uh my finished

1541
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:10,640
manuscript is about 50 pages

1542
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:13,280
it's on howard menger howard mentioned

1543
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:14,240
was a fellow up in

1544
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:16,480
new jersey he passed away recently he

1545
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:17,599
was in florida because he moved to

1546
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:18,799
florida many years ago

1547
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:20,880
but howard had some very very uh

1548
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:21,920
interesting uh

1549
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:23,520
experiences he claimed with the the

1550
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:25,680
beings on board the ship and uh

1551
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:28,720
some interesting photographs uh

1552
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:31,599
and um uh uh the testimony of

1553
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:33,200
independent witnesses i i

1554
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:35,760
i knew howard he was a likeable fellow

1555
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:36,240
uh

1556
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:39,359
blue streak and

1557
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,760
tell you a good yarn or two but um

1558
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:43,440
that's what ufos are you know people

1559
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,000
ought to be able

1560
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:46,240
to uh do a little bit of their own

1561
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:48,000
investigation discern what's true and

1562
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:49,359
what's not and uh

1563
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,520
just you know like uh figure it all out

1564
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,040
on their own anyway i

1565
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:55,920
i'm taking off in my own uh subterranean

1566
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:57,520
vessel here and uh

1567
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:58,799
again i want to thank you for having me

1568
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:01,119
on and uh we'll talk to you later

1569
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:02,720
all right it's been a huge honor to have

1570
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:05,040
you on having a good great see you tim

1571
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:06,319
get back great talk

1572
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:10,079
you bet you bye bye bye all right well

1573
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:10,400
good

1574
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:13,920
great great man great great you know

1575
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:15,599
i learned a long time ago that when

1576
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:17,200
you're talking to tim you have to

1577
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:18,160
interrupt him

1578
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,319
but he doesn't mind because everybody

1579
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:22,720
knows you have to interrupt him you know

1580
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:24,880
so that wasn't i wasn't being impolite

1581
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:27,280
him and i uh we probably talked

1582
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:29,839
once a month or so and have for years

1583
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:31,200
and years and years and

1584
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:34,000
and he just has so many stories and he's

1585
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:35,599
met so many of the old people and he's

1586
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,400
working so hard to save all of this uh

1587
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:40,559
this literature that's getting lost

1588
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:41,680
having to do with

1589
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:43,920
all kinds of strange stuff he's he's

1590
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:45,200
really you know and

1591
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:47,359
and and sure he makes a little living

1592
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:49,680
but he he isn't getting ripped off of it

1593
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:51,119
like a lot of people think

1594
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:54,480
and he publishes books all pure books

1595
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:56,720
like for instance one of his latest ones

1596
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:58,000
was the mysterious

1597
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:00,960
cyrus reed teed the phenomenal of the

1598
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:03,200
hollow earth as a concave spear

1599
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:05,200
and cyrus t someday i'll get on your

1600
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:06,640
show we'll talk about him but

1601
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:08,720
but he's got all his original writings

1602
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:10,799
here and i'm probably the only person in

1603
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:12,480
the world that cares but he spent a lot

1604
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:14,079
of money putting that book out

1605
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:15,760
so some of the other books that are more

1606
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:18,000
popular will pay for this book that only

1607
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:18,799
a few people

1608
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:21,200
won't but but sometime 50 years down the

1609
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:23,040
road somebody will find this book

1610
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:24,319
and they wouldn't have been able to find

1611
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:26,640
it because he used old manuscripts that

1612
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:28,319
are falling apart

1613
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:30,799
huh all right well this is what we're

1614
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:32,400
gonna

1615
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:35,680
go ahead that's it that

1616
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:38,720
uh i've said that i've had my room hello

1617
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:40,319
what we're gonna do is i'm gonna take a

1618
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:42,559
quick break get some ads in i still

1619
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:44,400
need you guys to send me an ad dennis

1620
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:46,960
you need to get on rick about that

1621
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,640
yes i know he's putting one together

1622
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:50,640
we've got one coming

1623
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:51,839
all right we're going to take a two

1624
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:53,680
minute break people when we come back

1625
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:55,839
we're taking your calls

1626
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:01,520
call in 347-637-2930

1627
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:03,599
call in chat with us for the last half

1628
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:05,680
hour of the show

1629
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:13,670
all righty we're back here live and

1630
00:59:18,309 --> 00:59:15,359
we're taking calls

1631
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:18,319
three four seven six three seven twenty

1632
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:18,799
nine

1633
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:21,200
thirty we're back on the air with dennis

1634
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:22,960
uh anybody want to call in

1635
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:26,559
and uh touch on what was said tonight

1636
00:59:31,829 --> 00:59:29,760
on our show feel free to do so uh yeah

1637
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:31,839
that's that's an amazing thing dennis i

1638
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:33,760
i've been discovering you know i've been

1639
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:35,119
researching

1640
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:39,040
uh ufos and ufology not not very long

1641
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:43,200
actually not even two years yet and

1642
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:45,280
uh you know it's kind of amazing that

1643
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:46,960
there's people like him

1644
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:49,119
out there that i haven't come across

1645
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:51,119
before like i have to ask you

1646
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:52,799
you know i've heard his name before but

1647
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:54,720
i had to ask you hey who's timothy

1648
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:58,799
beckley is he a good guy or a bad guy

1649
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:00,640
this information should be out there

1650
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:03,119
because he's an amazing guy who is doing

1651
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:05,680
something nobody else is doing he is

1652
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:07,760
doing not only

1653
01:00:16,470 --> 01:00:15,030
and modernizing them he's taking taking

1654
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:16,480
and modernizing them

1655
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:19,599
and uh you know he gets no credit people

1656
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:20,799
just don't get credit

1657
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:22,160
like i say you know he's not getting

1658
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:24,559
rich off this and and any money he makes

1659
01:00:27,510 --> 01:00:25,200
on the

1660
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:27,520
the ones that do get popular he turns

1661
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:29,520
around and puts it into books that

1662
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:31,839
are very obscure but they're very

1663
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:33,680
important to all of our studies

1664
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:37,040
you know and yeah even he even even he

1665
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:38,400
doesn't realize

1666
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:40,240
his importance in that field you could

1667
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:42,319
tell it yeah

1668
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:44,400
and and the sad thing is is people like

1669
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:46,400
that seem to sit there like that but as

1670
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:48,160
soon as they're gone you know the whole

1671
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:50,480
ufology community will wake up oh we

1672
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:52,799
lost such a great guy

1673
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:55,119
you know yeah all right you know he

1674
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:56,960
should be able to experience that when

1675
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:58,480
he's alive i mean

1676
01:01:02,789 --> 01:01:00,240
just from what i've read from the

1677
01:01:03,750 --> 01:01:02,799
journals he sent me from his bios and

1678
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:03,760
his background

1679
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:06,319
i mean he's got some amazing stuff going

1680
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:06,799
on

1681
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:11,200
you know back in the late 80s early 90s

1682
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:12,720
he put on uh

1683
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:16,319
uh conventions with all the top

1684
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:19,119
people uh in los angeles and several

1685
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:20,160
other places

1686
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:22,160
and they would draw thousands you know i

1687
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:23,200
mean they would

1688
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:25,839
convention centers you know and yet now

1689
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:26,799
here we are

1690
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:30,000
only 30 uh 30

1691
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:33,359
30 years later or 20 years later and and

1692
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:36,559
as you can see when uh well-known uh

1693
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:38,640
researchers today like you uh you know

1694
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:39,599
exceptionally

1695
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:43,520
through the cracks yeah yep even cases

1696
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:45,520
you know like the flatwoods case i

1697
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:47,760
didn't learn about that until uh

1698
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:49,920
you know a year into my research so

1699
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:51,680
there's still a lot out there like he

1700
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:52,000
says

1701
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:54,559
you know you can keep researching

1702
01:01:57,430 --> 01:01:56,640
ufology and you're always going to find

1703
01:02:00,309 --> 01:01:57,440
new stuff

1704
01:02:01,270 --> 01:02:00,319
there's thousands of cases out there and

1705
01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:01,280
people exactly

1706
01:02:06,870 --> 01:02:05,200
i have yet to come across and uh

1707
01:02:09,029 --> 01:02:06,880
and you know like you know the size of

1708
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:09,039
my my uh library here

1709
01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:11,280
and there oh yeah you know hundreds of

1710
01:02:15,589 --> 01:02:13,119
books in it that

1711
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:15,599
that you know i go back and i i'm

1712
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:17,680
rereading them now you know and

1713
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:20,079
and uh i've got them all the way back to

1714
01:02:23,589 --> 01:02:22,720
the early days of ufos in fact i found a

1715
01:02:25,829 --> 01:02:23,599
book uh

1716
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:25,839
and i never even knew it existed that

1717
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:28,160
was written by ray palmer not a magazine

1718
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:28,559
a

1719
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:31,920
tim

1720
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:34,079
and he might want to reproduce it

1721
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:35,920
someday

1722
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:37,839
oh yeah i was writing down some of the

1723
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:39,359
stuff while he was talking i'm going to

1724
01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:39,920
go out

1725
01:02:45,750 --> 01:02:43,039
and buy the sky people because uh i have

1726
01:02:49,029 --> 01:02:45,760
to save on danican's chariot of the gods

1727
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:49,039
really got me

1728
01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:51,280
before you buy it let me look i think i

1729
01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:53,039
might have an extra copy it seems like

1730
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:53,680
i've got two

1731
01:02:57,029 --> 01:02:56,160
copies of that book so that would be

1732
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:57,039
great

1733
01:03:00,150 --> 01:02:59,920
yeah let me let me check after the show

1734
01:03:02,789 --> 01:03:00,160
and

1735
01:03:04,549 --> 01:03:02,799
i'll get in touch with you by tomorrow

1736
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:04,559
all i gotta do is go to my bookshelf and

1737
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:05,920
look but i'm pretty sure i've got two

1738
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:07,839
copies of the sky people

1739
01:03:11,190 --> 01:03:09,599
uh that might be a little beat up but

1740
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:11,200
it's a reader you know hey

1741
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:13,440
if i can read it that's all that matters

1742
01:03:18,390 --> 01:03:15,760
uh i wanted to uh

1743
01:03:19,510 --> 01:03:18,400
to say another thing that timothy

1744
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:19,520
beckley

1745
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:22,559
has brought towards me is about six or

1746
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:23,119
seven

1747
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:25,280
uh authors that are going to be coming

1748
01:03:29,349 --> 01:03:27,440
on the show people he's working with

1749
01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:29,359
i think that's you know that was his

1750
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:31,280
main reason coming on the show to

1751
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:33,680
to get him known and what he does known

1752
01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:35,280
and then he's already

1753
01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:37,520
had a few people contact me to come on

1754
01:03:40,870 --> 01:03:38,400
the show so

1755
01:03:42,630 --> 01:03:40,880
we have that to look forward to a lot of

1756
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:42,640
a lot of new age

1757
01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:44,640
new modern writers that are going back

1758
01:03:48,390 --> 01:03:46,559
and redoing some of these old books and

1759
01:03:49,109 --> 01:03:48,400
adding to them so that's that's great

1760
01:03:51,990 --> 01:03:49,119
that we have

1761
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:52,000
to look forward to exactly that's what

1762
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:53,280
he does is he uh

1763
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:55,200
you know even me he gave me a chance for

1764
01:03:59,349 --> 01:03:56,880
the you know two of my favorite

1765
01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:59,359
people from the old days to to write the

1766
01:04:02,390 --> 01:03:59,920
forward

1767
01:04:04,230 --> 01:04:02,400
you know to do his books and that's what

1768
01:04:07,589 --> 01:04:04,240
he does is he finds the

1769
01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:07,599
the younger or you know the

1770
01:04:12,549 --> 01:04:09,760
not today's people that are up and

1771
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:12,559
coming and he lets them uh be involved

1772
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:13,200
so that

1773
01:04:16,630 --> 01:04:14,960
when you buy the old book from him

1774
01:04:18,309 --> 01:04:16,640
you're not just getting an old book

1775
01:04:21,750 --> 01:04:18,319
you're also getting like he said

1776
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:21,760
two or three chapters of from modern

1777
01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:24,240
today's thinkers you know and it really

1778
01:04:35,589 --> 01:04:31,910
wow all i can say is wow

1779
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:35,599
yes that's all i can say about the

1780
01:04:40,150 --> 01:04:36,960
profit

1781
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:40,160
okay hey i want to thank

1782
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:41,680
you for having me on your show tonight

1783
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:43,920
man it was really a lot of fun

1784
01:04:47,910 --> 01:04:46,240
you know i really wanna love i love

1785
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:47,920
talking to tim you know

1786
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:49,680
the way he talks on the radio show is

1787
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:51,520
just exactly the way he talks to you

1788
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:52,960
when he's talking to you on the phone

1789
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:53,359
and

1790
01:04:57,270 --> 01:04:55,920
he's just full of so many stories that i

1791
01:05:00,069 --> 01:04:57,280
can sit there for hours

1792
01:05:02,150 --> 01:05:00,079
so thank you buddy yeah thank you it's

1793
01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:02,160
it's been an honor to have somebody on

1794
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:04,000
that has so much knowledge

1795
01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:06,079
and has been in this for so long it

1796
01:05:09,670 --> 01:05:07,440
really is

1797
01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:09,680
and uh you know we've all learned a lot

1798
01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:11,359
from you and through your show

1799
01:05:16,549 --> 01:05:14,000
so uh all right dennis thanks for

1800
01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:16,559
co-hosting with me guys and i'll see you

1801
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:18,400
guys tomorrow for the news

1802
01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:20,640
at 4 pm eastern time here in florida

1803
01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:22,160
ufos ufo related

1804
01:05:26,230 --> 01:05:24,400
news you can listen to that on the

1805
01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:26,240
website as well and then we'll be back

1806
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:28,000
here at 10 p.m eastern

1807
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:31,440
with will allen don't miss the show

1808
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:35,760
take care dennis thank you

1809
01:05:40,630 --> 01:05:38,720
take care let me find a good song to